Camarilla vampire the masquerade 5th edition pdf download

Furthermore, since to my mind, Vampire was always about human atrocities, I feel it's hypocritical to now complain. To me, there is no difference between "old" and "new" White Wolf because Vampire was always about, as I said, human abysses. Any company that can make snowflakes cry is a company I'll consider endorsing. Thanks for giving me a thumbs up on trying the new Vampire! Enjoy it mike P, the version you just bought has already been edited about a year ago to remove the questionable content.

So let me translate that for you: We won. Have a lovely day. I don't understand the issue people are having. Since the beginning, Vampire always picked up horrible things that happen or happened in the real world because it takes place in a world that is very close to our real world. And it always depicted those horrible things as something horrible and essentially evil because in the World of Darkness evil creatures like vampires and humans!

CAUSE the horrible things. But then I thought about it and I realized that I appreciate the system because it acknowledges the cruel things that happen in our world. The text from the Again, VtM ALWAYS talked about the horrible things in the real world and I am glad that they acknowledge it, because NOT talking about things like this would feel wrong to me seeing that the system basically takes place in a supernatural version of our real world.

But in our world, instead of Vampires, humans commit these atrocious acts in a similar fashion. HE thinks that the presecution is "not the point" while still saying it's bad!

There are still roughly pages filled with other details and information that you can use. I recommend buying this title. I received mine because I preordered the slipcase edition from Modiphius. I'd recommend avoiding this title.

It has an odious section depicting the real life persecution of gay people in Chechnya as a smokescreen for vampire shenanigans. To say it's in poor taste is to put it lightly. As a 'dark reflection' of the real world, it is actually the point. No, this does not mean they are endorsing any paricular view by reflecting on difficult or emotive issues, or themes in a fictional context.

Adults can work this out for themselves, of course. Did you actually purchase this product? November 10, am UTC. The only thing of note here is that a very tiny minority of individuals can't deal with the notion of mature themes in games. Go and read the original Montreal By Night if you want to see how the 'mindset' of old White Wolf was. I have a much higher regard for the current team's understanding of the 'old White Wolf' than an anonymous non purchaser on this site, with questionable motivations and invalid criticism.

You're the one who's incorrect. People who are objecting to the Chechnya chapter are the same people who didn't so much as miss a step when they bought titles from previous editions of VtM. We are happy to have vampires as monsters, and to play vampires as the doomed protagonists of a grand operatic tragedy.

We're objecting to the mindset that thinks it would be a crowd-pleaser to exploit a real, ongoing evil - the real massacre of LGBTQ people in Chechnya - for entertainment. Then you object to any and all real world depictions for entertainment? Ah, man. Or those who watch Crime shows that "rip stories straight from the News". OMG all the exploited real world events for entertainment. Sarcasm On a serious note, Yes Chechnya is a real place with real evil.

If I was there I'd be tortured and killed. Do I object to WOD using it the way they did, no. Adding a touch of fantasy to horrible real world events makes to easier for people while learning of the event. Put real world events in entertainment It'll open more eyes, and it'll be recorded in areas were more people will find it, other then the news.

I'm fine if White Wolf opens up a Black Dog sections of books for "hard to handle" subjects. But, the use of use real world events is OK. I would be angry if they censored See more it, like some U. History books. Exploiting it? This is mindboggling. This isnt a game that has some magical dimension as its setting. There are no elves to ethnically cleanse, no orcs to paint as the inhuman token bad guys.

It uses our world as its backdrop. Did white wolf make more money from mentioning the horror in Chechnya? Did it somehow advance the books public image? From the start the world of darkness has done this. The sabbat claimed they orchestrated the attacks a lie , hurricans and tsunamis in bangladesh, antediluvian clashes, spanish inquisition was an attempt to ferrat out the undead, I can go on.

What really bothers me is the face that none of you blink an eye at the numerous other atrocities, because they are lesser due to most of them not involving sexuality? Thats tantamount to decrying the bloodshed while you are the hangman. I apologize Rory, I now see why you are so exasperated. This is the release of the year, maybe decade and this foolishness is an attempt to tank it. If attributing horrendous actions to make believe creatures offends you, I hope the perpetrators of the actual atrocities offends you enough to actually do something.

Its pathetic that art could offend you so totally. A new view of an ancient but recently changed vampire sect - a Mephisto review Camarilla The Camarilla book is the first sourcebook for V5 and focuses on the great sect that claimed to [ Roger L.

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